Messi wrote:Galagya wrote:I disagree with the change, but going by the "all or nothing" logic from before that people pushed, ignoring nuance & refusing to even consider an alternate viewpoint, I gotta say I find it extremely hypocrotical to go against that exact same reasoning within 24 hours(saying this while looking at the vote). But eh, nobody is perfect, including me, so it's whatever. Just can't wrap my brains around it completely, I guess.
I say no nips on ferals. If only for the sake of consistancy.
Btw it makes like zero anatomical sense coz they are always covered by fur on ferals if we're being honest... the only exception I can think of is like, a hairless pupper(like my own char's main canine form, actually) that happens to be lying on it's side or sitting upright or something to straight up expose the tummy, right? But even then realistically it's mere litlle dots of barely visible color. No actual visible bump unless you're right up close. It's a detail so tiny it's not worth drawing imho & in fact rawing them in 99% of cases will mess the drawing up or make it unrealistic. As before, I state this info as observable, objective fact. If I'm mistaken, feel free to correct me.
Thanks for reading.
My dog has big nipples. She hasn't had any puppies.
Visible Nipples.
Big nips.
Big.
Your anecdotal evidence doesn't conflict with my statement. I said most cases, not all, & was speaking as a generality. I thought that was clear, but if not - I realize you can see nips sometimes irl, & am not arguing that they exist. I am arguing for not being hypocritical, and pushing people to acknowledge existing double-standards in their behaviors.
Before anyone suggests so, it is not a personal attack on anyone. Committing a logical fallacy or slip is almost always accidental and/or temporary.
Ignorance is not synonymous with being a bad person, and I think people put way too much supposed worth in being right. Personally, I'd rather be wrong than right, even if it were to(as it used to) hurt my ego. Being wrong means you get to learn something new, or look at things in a new light. It's a great thing! People who think they cannot be wrong aren't very bright on average, I'm sure you'll notice. There's an actual study that reflects the fact that people who think they know everything actually tend to know little, and people who think they know little tend to know more. Weird, right? But the thing is, it makes sense, especially in terms of being right/wrong. Most significant learning is challenging, and you must be either wrong or ignorant in order to be right in the future.
That being said, I welcome people to prove me wrong! It's okay, I won't get mad. I only ask that you remain polite. Insults, sarcasm, otherwise getting worked up... that kind of stuff helps nobody. It only serves to temporarily allow you to vent, which sometimes doesn't even manage to help in the short term. I know, coz I used to be super guilty of it ALLLLL the time. I was terrible about it. I'm glad I realized I was wrong, & have changed since. See, there it is again - being wrong ending up a better thing than you'd think. But holy shit do I digress...
Do you think not drawing your dog's nipples would take away from said drawing?
Why should ferals get to have nipples, when male anthros cannot? Wasn't the argument that kids can see them in everyday life, someone said? But they can also see men's nipples in everyday life, so can someone explain to me -
without moral judgement or pushing ideologies onto anyone(<this is important, as it not only disrupts the argument, but detracts from pure logic, obviously) - the apparent difference?
Most importantly, & a little TL;DR: I believe the weight of the "for" argument doesn't outweigh the common hypocrisy therein.
On a personal level, I couldn't care less if nipples were a thing. I don't mind, so long as people don't get gross with it. If it isn't something that would cause parents or coworkers to have a problem with you viewing, then I think it's entirely legitimate.
I am merely trying to get people to be consistent and intellectually honest.
If you can recognize the dissonance, but remain unswayed, I am absolutely fine with that. Perhaps you are simply emotionally or otherwise personally invested in the gender topic, but not in the feral vs anthropomorphic topic. These things happen. & regardless of whether they are morally objectionable or not, I think that the recognition of individual biases on either side of the argument would at least help me understand. I say me because, for all I know, it is just me who thinks this is silly. But yeah, regardless... there seem to be inconsistencies herein, and it's like everyone is turning a blind eye to it. None of this makes very much sense to me otherwise - again, logically speaking.
I need to get back to drawing, but I'll check this topic again later. I am very curious to see how people respond!
I hope everyone will remain respectful to one another, here. It'd definitely suck to see people do the whole, y'know, mob mentality, ganging up, emotion-driven, quote stacking, sarcastic, rude, ears/eyes shut, angry etc.etc. devolution of the previous nipple thread. I am thinking that WH would benefit a lot from simply being up front, honest, and (again most importantly) respectful to one another. Can we all at least agree on that much?
Btw, regardless of what side you're on, I think we can all agree to dub this whole thing nipplegate. Objections?
Thanks for reading, & tc.